Food, Systems and the Environment

October 2022: I was interviewed by Chef AJ on her popular Youtube channel. In the first 20 minutes she asks me about my background. Following that is my slide presentation on the threats to our environment caused by our food system. A key take home message is that even if we eliminate all fossil fuel use immediately, it won’t be enough to avoid 1.5 degrees or possible 2 degrees of warming, unless we also change how we produce food. The ‘cow in the room’ is animal agriculture which is by far the largest cause of environmental destruction. The last 25 minutes or so is a Q&A session with her audience (this was a live broadcast). Warning: this is quite a scary talk, but super important for people to understand. So if you find it helpful please share widely. I have presented this talk at two conferences this year, including a large medical student conference held in Melbourne in July and also to a graduating class of 40 new dietitians at La Trobe University in late October 2022.

Transcript of this interview

I’m your host Chef AJ and this is where I introduce you to amazing people like you who are doing great

things in the world that I think you should know about well my guest today is coming to us live all the way from

Australia where it’s very early in the morning to talk to us about food systems and the environment he’s a registered

dietitian plant-based of course and his name is Dr Peter Johnson and please welcome him to the show thanks for

getting up early for us it’s a pleasure AJ I’m so lovely to see

you I’m very excited and honored to be on your show well thank you for reaching out because that’s the best way to get

on the show is to come and ask us that is fantastic well registered

Peters story

dietitians always get a lot of questions and we have so many that were sent in in advance but before we get to the questions I’d like to learn a little bit

about you when you became plant-based was it before or after you became a dietitian and tell us your story

I became plant-based um fully plant-based 31 years ago after reading

John Robbins amazing book diet for new America in 91.

1991 I’ve been vegetarian for 10 years before that um after meeting and living with a

vegetarian girlfriend and I thought it was the weirdest thing I’d never met a vegetarian before and we knew nothing

about the health or the environment or the ethics it was just the way she ate and we agreed to eat that way in our

Share House lunch with students flatting together in 81 and um

after about 12 months I gagged on a ham roll at University and couldn’t and said

I’m done no more fish meat chicken so that was 41 years ago and 10 years

later John Robin’s book pushed me off eggs and dairy and I’ve stuck to a 100

ever since and so grateful I did the only regret I have is I wish I’d started earlier I’ve been born and bred this way

yeah you may not need these reading glasses perhaps yeah that’s fantastic so you’re like a vegan

OG oh gee old gangster that’s just like a like like the OG like the Original

Old Gangster

Gangster it’s like you know like you’ve been doing it a long time in other words yeah and I really got into it when I

moved to San Francisco and there were actually a few vegans there and we had vegan neighbors upstairs who were doing

food not bombs and it was easier and more more Community there um but it was still weird like I

remember going to restaurants and cafes and people the way that staff didn’t know what vegan was their eyes would

glaze over and one person even asked me if I was a Trekkie that’s fine I think they mix it up for

Vulcan and you know it’s it’s different dates now there was not no vegan junk food then

when did you go to dietetic school I came back to Australia in 95 and with

Dietetic School

the express purpose of retraining because I’d been a human genetics engineer

and was cloning human genes and working in Montreal and that postdoc didn’t go

well um postdoctoral research Fellowship postdoc for short and I

was working out what to do with my life and I came back to Australia to do a masters in dietetics my mum was a

dietitian retired now I think she’s listening hi mum and uh

and uh studied the Masters in nutrition in 96 97.

so what did you say you were what was your profession before I didn’t I don’t I didn’t quite get with that I was a

Research Scientist

research scientist I did a doctorate in human genetics I was wanting to figure

out what causes aging I have something of a Peter Pan complex and I’m terrified of getting old

what does cause aging I wish we knew

oh boys that’s something did they teach you anything about a vegan or plant-based diet and dietetic school

Vegan Dietetics

no sadly they didn’t and the students I Mentor now tell me they still don’t

but I am doing much more time now speaking to medical students at conferences and events and in two weeks

I’m speaking to a class of dietitian students who are doing their master’s degrees

giving the same talk I’m giving today later with on food and environment but

I’m hoping that I can get into more of the dietetics classes too push the the plant-based message

nice nice but certainly it’s sadly it’s still not taught seemingly the students

don’t know this I’m not sure how where the lecturers are it’s it’s really not right and I want to really try to rock

that boat and make a change that’s great you how do you work with

Working with people

people is it just in groups in person did you ever work at a hospital setting

I did Hospital placements in my Master’s Degree and I hated them because it was

really Band-Aid stuff and you’re part of a big ecosystem without much freedom and flexibility or autonomy and and people

are already very sick um I was bored and frustrated doing that

but now I work in private practice and see people one to one but with my

wonderful colleagues Dr Malcolm Mackay who you’ve interviewed and his partner Jenny Cameron we we work with the

business Melbourne lifestyle medicine and do Retreats and webinars coaching

seminars we coordinate the plant-powered Melbourne pods

from Nelson Campbell’s work there’s one in Melbourne that we have lots of people who meet regularly for potluck dinners

um so we would also offer Workplace Health programs we’ve done some fabulous work in workplace settings helping

people switch to plant-based for just three weeks and and checking taking blood tests

before and after and we get incredible changes we we get any staff we want to

volunteer they to go 100 Whole Food plant-based for three weeks we blood test them

immediately before and after and we’ve got an average total cholesterol drop in three weeks of over 20 percent

LDL drops about the same we get an average weight loss in three weeks of three kilos

people get amazing changes in their well-being their sleep their pain drops

they have better focus at work so we’ve got a Malcolm Jenny and I are

looking to just have as many different approaches to helping people shift and learn more

about this as possible so far

Range of problems

range of problems and I really like that um I’d prefer not to be a specialist because I really like the variety I love

seeing expecting mums or new mothers with little infants and helping them set

a new new little human on a healthy path for life and and also you know less environmental

footprint I love seeing people who’ve who’ve got unwell and helping them to

which is sad but helping them to reverse their diseases in many cases I’ve seen help many people reverse their

type 2 diabetes rheumatoid arthritis get their cholesterol back into safe region

um aches and pains go you know gut problems settle I really enjoy the whole range of things

and sometimes when I get something new or different I really enjoy going to the books and the research and getting a lot

of new background on it before I see that person which extends my knowledge and keeps it interesting

so it’s it’s I love learning I’m constantly have my nose in books or

learning you know from new research and all the other plant-based experts around

the world so it’s never boring but it’s it’s as you know it’s so gratifying helping it’s really

life-changing work you mentioned that you’ve even had a few clients in the United States


some from the us some from England one from Middle East um people from all around Australia

I’d see people face to face all by Zoom whatever suits them I mean face to face is lovely but we’ve all got used to zoom

over the pandemic and it works really well and I’ve seen amazing results with

people that I’ve never met face to face you know in in very long long way away

from me in different parts of Australia because as you know this is a very big country I’m curious if they don’t even discuss

Dietary School

vegan or plant-based diets in dietary school what what do they teach you uh look I don’t want to be too rude

about the courses but it’s it’s when I went through about 80 percent of

people worked and were destined to work in hospitals and so they prepare you for that taking

a a dietary record of what people eat the last 24 hours

um how to do that hospital dietetics some preparing some people for industry around learning about food safety and so

on but to to be honest I don’t really use much of what I did in my masters

I’ve I’ve been voraciously learning in those 20 plus years since and I

or nearly 30 years I just keep learning myself around this stuff and I was

already vegan when I went through dietetic school what was that like did you did you

The China Study

mention that you were or did you just keep your lip zipped no no I was quite open about it and I challenged the

lecturers from time to time because I was already a political activist so I was quite happy to rock the boat and and

have arguments with people and I was probably a bit annoying but

um I you know I remember raising The China Study with with lecturers and they

hadn’t heard of it um and so you know discussing why this was so important and people needed to

know about this this was back in in the mid 90s um

but it it there was one other vegan I think in my master’s class of about 30 people

wow but now Australia has lots of vegans and plant eaters don’t they

Vegans in Australia

we do um I’m hoping it’s reaching some kind of Tipping Point it’s it’s now so normal

that everyone knows what it is everyone has a vegan in the family um

the challenge I’m finding though is that I’m seeing more overweight and unwell vegans because they’re eating a lot of

vegan junk food and it’s everywhere like this the supermarkets and cafes are just

full of it and I’m helping vegans get healthy and opening their eyes to Whole

Food plant-based you know and cutting out the oil making their own food having less junk food

and there’s there’s not enough understanding of that yet I think that’s the next big Frontier

um and it’s like it’s like 31 years ago when I became a vegan you couldn’t eat out at restaurants or cafes I know there

was a millennium back then in San Francisco which was expensive but super Gourmet but otherwise you couldn’t eat

out but now it’s the same for Whole Food plant-based so the restaurants don’t get the no oil no salt

no refined grains but I think if we ask and we keep asking you know like vegan

meals it will happen the the businesses need to know that there’s a market for this so I really

encourage everyone I work with to keep asking politely every establishment ring them ahead of time

and say can you do a dish without oil I’m vegan it’s so hard for restaurants I

Vegan Restaurants

worked in one day they first of all they don’t get it like you like you said or they don’t get no sugar no oil no salt

because then they think it’s going to not taste good and you’re not going to want to pay for it I think yeah exactly but you can still make

fabulous food like at our Retreats we have a 900 hour qualified vegan Chef she’s from New York but she lives in

Melbourne now and she does fabulous catering and it has no oil very low salt

and and no refined sugar and the The Retreat participants love the food they

Rave about it we’ve even arranged with a couple of restaurants to do oil-free meals like an

Indian restaurant um and the guy was completely perplexed about our request but he he worked it

out and the people loved the food so it can be done where do you think

Olive Oil

this idea of olive oil as a health food came from because you know people whether they eat sugar or not I don’t

think anybody’s counting it as a health food you know they know it’s a highly processed food it’s it’s you know it’s

not it doesn’t really have nutrients it’s addictive but yet like people just think oil is amazing a lot of people not

people necessarily that watch this show but in the general population and even in the vegan world there’s vegan doctors

that think it’s Health promoting yeah I know it’s I think because the

Sciences the the industry is being smart and and demonstrating that it’s better than lard or better than butter which it

is but and people like good news about their

bad habits as you know and as I think Dr McDougall said that so

it’s people cling to it like a like a security blanket in a way that they’re

psychologically challenged When you mention it’s not healthy and you get quite strong reactions from

people and as you said no one disputes that white sugars are junk food but oil is in exactly the same situation but

worse in most ways because it’s more than twice as energy dense I’ve done some numbers and 20 grams of

olive oil which is we have larger tablespoons than you it’s about a large tablespoon in Australia

20 grams of olive oil is the same calories as two cups of blueberries or five to six cups of broccoli

now it’s an absolute no-brainer which is better for you like if you if you’re eating that 20

grams of olive oil you’re either displacing the blueberries or the broccoli or you’re overeating it’s one or the

other you know you add you add that extra fat and you don’t displace the berries or

the broccoli then you you over consuming your daily needs and you’ll get fat which most people are overweight or

you’re displacing more nutrient-dense foods like the blueberries or the broccoli or beans or potatoes which is

detrimental because it’s a lost opportunity to nourish ourselves more so it’s it’s really not that complicated

when you look at it you don’t need to go to the biochemistry you just or complicated research about about

vascular flow or inflammation it’s it’s just simply if you include that junk

food you’re pushing out foods that are more whole and more nutrient dense or you’re overeating

yeah absolutely is the obesity rate in Australia anywhere near the OBC rate in


the United States we tend to follow your Trends very closely sadly

um so we’re pretty similar um which is very sad it’s heartbreaking we

the lot like America most Australian adults are

overweight and they have chronic disease um the last census data reported that

half of Australians reported having one or more chronic diseases and many of those people

won’t have no won’t the ones who didn’t report won’t know they have a chronic disease because they’ll have vascular

damage they might have pre-diabetes so there’s probably a lot more than than is

reported is the census started was people self-reported to these status so

when we’re not a world population sadly is the process food in Australia the

Processed Food

same as the American processed food or like do you have your own version of like Skittles and M M’s and things like

that we have some um America seems to have a lot more and

it’s when I am in the US and I go to somewhere like Walmart and I look at the

the process sugary junk Foods I’m gobsmacked at how in your face they are and omnipresent they are we have that

stuff around and it’s getting more prevalent and the businesses know that this stuff sells because people are deep

in the pleasure trap and they want the sugar they want the fat and the salt and highly super palatable food the refined

grains you know so it’s everywhere everywhere you go you fill up for petrol or gas as you call it

and there’s chocolate Slurpees chips Donuts you have Slurpees I could come to

Australia I haven’t had a Slurpee since July 6 2003 but that was my undoing work

that I mean what kind of grown-up during Slurpees for breakfast you know that’s really yeah

I know but this stuff is everywhere you turn it’s an obesogenic environment and people find it a real real challenge to

stay off that food oh yeah I that’s what I’ve been screaming from the rooftops for 10 years

Food Addiction

and a lot of people even in the vegan Community just don’t believe that for many people certain foods have an

addictive-like process and that’s why they can’t stop eating them exactly yeah

yeah is food addiction talked about it all in Australia by any a lot yeah heaps and I I actually see a lot of

people who acknowledged their food addicts and I’m getting more referrals from people I’ve helped who referring

other people it’s a huge problem and I think it’s a problem that’s under diagnosed and people don’t realize that

what they’re dealing with is food addiction um people are binging people are craving

these rich processed foods uh there’s a food addicts anonymous there are groups of that that meet to

support people so it is people are more aware of this um

and I help people with that you know introduce them to the pleasure track book and those Concepts and um

that you never I’ve never met anyone who’s addicted to broccoli or carrots it it they’re not addictive you know so

people can stick to those kind of foods they can they can break out of this cycle of addiction

yeah good to know good to know now you call your website perfect human

Perfect Human Food

food how come well I’m a I’m a Virgo I’m not really into

that astrology but I’m a bit of a perfectionist and um and I’m a perfectionist with my own

health because I don’t want to injure my body anymore and I want to prolong my my health span as much as I can

um and I think Whole Food plant-based is the perfect human diet so I assist people in that direction as

far as I want to go I’m realistic that that’s not for everybody but as you know in the audience will

know the more plants people can eat the better that so any to any extent they can

create out the processed food and the animal food with eating more plants then their health will improve so but

I will support them as far as they want to go all the way to what I would consider the perfect human diet which is

which is Whole Food plant-based nice I know you’ve prepared a


presentation for us would you like we jump in on it or do

you want to do the questions first uh let’s do the presentation if that’s all right please I look forward to them

and see how we go the presentation my uh quite a few slides but I can speed it up

or slow it down as need be we’ve got all the time you need thank you

how does that look that looks perfect okay good so


um so this is a talk about food systems and the environment and I must say

um very much in debt to Dr Richard oppenlander who you interviewed earlier this year I think

he’s a wonderful wonderful communicator and I love his work and it’s also drawn

on some of the work of um Julian crib an Australian author and

um science journalist who’s done some amazing work um but it’s sort of it’s a collection of

a whole range of challenges to our food system which are bearing down upon us and

I wanted to preface this by saying also this talk is quite grim we’re in an enormous trouble as a

species and ecologically and we’re going to have to really make some serious

changes if we’re going to avoid a catastrophic ending so on that note

[Music] um why is that so this is about me I’ve spent a lot of

About me

time at University um and studying a voracious learner basically avoiding getting a real job I

guess for a long time I’m and I’m the advisory Council of doctors for nutrition

Advisory Council of Doctors for Nutrition

which is an independent registered charity in Australia this is a photo

taken at our first conference in 2019 we have another conference coming up in

um next year in February which I’ll talk about in a sec so doctors for nutrition has an advisory council with doctors and

Dr Renee Thomas

dietitians from around Australia and some of the big names you can see in the bottom right from around the world

including Renee Thomas who’s Australian based in Loma Linda

um so this is a conference coming up in 29


2023 next February um the shares eyes are coming out to present

as well as Dr Alan Desmond and Dr Gemma Newman who I believe you know you’ve had on from the UK

Renee Thomas is coming out and Michael Greger and as Caldwell esselstom will be presenting virtually

so highly recommended this would be very exciting I’m presenting as well as well

as my colleagues Dr Malcolm Mackay and Jenny Cameron talking about our Retreats and our group programs


so summary of this talk um as I said we’re in really big trouble ecologically and as a species

ending ending all fossil fuel use won’t be enough to get us out of trouble The

Sciences very clear we have to also change our food system the good news is that from your next

meal you can help create change today or hopefully you already are if you’re not eating animal Foods

and I’ll explain how animal food is so destructive to the environment as the talk goes through

though also there are exciting industry initiatives now these are not really foods for vegans

um this is replica meats and so on which there’s good news on that front environmentally

so these are some of the Diabolical challenges facing us there’s a lot and

I’ll cover each of these briefly this is a very quick zipping over this talk I’ve

given this talk as an all-day lecture to master students and and that was six and a half hours so this is quite a

compressed version of the talk and a a sort of a executive summary because it’s it’s

there’s a lot to this each of these areas could be a a several hour talk

um so just touching on health quickly so this is the census data I mentioned from Australia so self-reported almost half


of Australians have one or more chronic conditions and two-thirds of us are overweight and our health systems are

overburdened due to this chronic disease pandemic and the US is similar we know

from um um Centers for Disease Control Data in the U.S at half of All American adults

are diabetic or pre-diabetic this is a catastrophe we’re just sleepwalking into a modern

catastrophe so I won’t talk about health anymore this is just a quick part about health

so with the with the environment this is at the dawn of Agriculture about 10 000


years ago you can see that humans comprised about one percent of the total

mammal biomass and wild mammals were 99 of all mammals on the planet

so jump forward to 2015 and look at this livestock comprise 67


humans have jumped to 32 and poor odd wild mammals have been squeezed down to

one and a half percent of biomass they’re disappearing this is heartbreaking

the same with bird populations 70 of all birds now are food animals for humans

chickens and other poultry wild birds are collapsing in numbers so

we’re actually in the sixth mass extinction so you can see the background

Mass Extinction

rate of Extinction at the bottom that dotted line and since the mid-18th century the rate of

Extinction of these categories of animals has started to Skyrocket way above the natural rate

and insects I’ll come to are becoming extinct at a much faster rate

again okay this has been caused by many factors so

Land Clearing

land clearing this is in Australia this is in one year 90 000 hectares of

koala habitat were logged and this is

put down to the beef industry so there’s a beef Farmers clearing land for more grazing

Tropical Forests

this is our Vital lungs of the Earth the tropical forests like the Amazonian

rainforest 11 million hectares of tree cover lost in 2021. just one year

this is still proceeding at at a crazy pace and with losing species that have

never even been described these are the lungs of the Earth this is heartbreaking

insect population numbers are collapsing I’m a bit creeped out by bugs but like

many people but we need them these are a vital part of our ecosystem and if you’re old enough to remember

driving through the country and nighttime or dusk 20 30 years ago your

windscreen would be covered in bugs you’d have to wipe it every couple of hours that doesn’t happen anymore we’ve

had a 70 collapse in insect population and and biomass since 1990. and this is

they’re predicting that insects could vanish within a century at the current rate of decline

and this insect Extinction rate is eight times faster than that of mammals birds and reptiles which I showed you in that

earlier chart so they’re Vanishing at a really fast rate and this is because of intensive


agriculture widespread pesticide use particularly the neo-nicotino nicotinoids which are

really devastating to Insects it’s really accelerated since these new pesticides

it’s also from land clearing lack of vegetation for insects to live

in and climate change and this insect biomass is falling by

two and a half percent per year now that might sound quite small but every decade that’s 25 percent

that’s it’s the biomass is dropping by a quarter every decade

Jonas Salk

this is a quote from Jonas Salk Jonas Salk who invented the polio vaccine see

he said if all the insects were to disappear from the earth within 50 years all life on Earth would end

and yet if all human beings disappeared from the earth within 50 years all forms of life would flourish

Ocean Dead Zones

moving on we’ve got ocean dead zones so huge areas of the ocean are suffocating

um due to being starved of oxygen and this is from effluent runoff from animal

farming fertilizer runoff warm oceans hold less oxygen

and algal blooms foreign the meat industry has been blamed for

these for the and including for this largest ever dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico

um through runoff from animal agriculture

we’re scientists are forecasting we could see a collapse of fisheries and potential fishless Oceans by mid-century


the estimates are that as many as 650 000 Wales dolphins and seals are killed

every year by fishing vessels now that might not sound a lot on a huge Planet but some context there are only

estimated only one and a half million whales left and only 10 to 25

000 blue whales and about 600 000 bottlenose dolphins such as the one in the picture

so losing 650 000 of these is a lot and that’s excuse

me every year from fishing vessels

moving on so zoonotic diseases these are diseases that are transferred from animals to humans like the SARS

Zoonotic Diseases

um the the um covered pandemic we’ve just been through this is a quote from a

professor where I did my doctorate at the Australian National University he was forecasting that we were overdue for

another pandemic which would make AIDS look like a picnic so these are


um from Dr greger’s work in his how to survive a pandemic book and his talk so

the first wave of epidemics we didn’t have epidemics until we

started domesticating animals and then we began to get these infectious diseases jumping from animals to humans

such as measles and smallpox we think whooping cough typhoid fever leprosy

[Music] pandemic influenza from Ducks common cold from horses

so it’s estimated that 75 or so of our infectious diseases have have come to us

through our unnatural proximity to animals through farming them the second wave of epidemics is the

Noncommunicable diseases

non-communicable diseases or the diseases of over consumption and we’re all very familiar with these they’re the

ones that kill our family members and Friends through over consumption and this began with the Industrial

Revolution and we’re very much still in the grip of this but we’re now in a

Third wave

third wave of epidemics which began in the mid 70s when we began expanding into

forestry areas larger to go logging in Africa and the Amazon and exposing us to

viruses and diseases we’d never encountered before so that this led to

Aids HIV from primates Ebola from primates SARS from the Civic

Fox West Nile virus from bird smuggling covert whether that was bats pangolins

we’re not sure monkey Pops from primates so as we intensify animal Agriculture

and have more feedlot farming and concentrated farming we’re just creating Petri dishes for the development of more

of these epidemics and in some sense covert’s been a lucky training run it had a fairly low mortality rate you know

maybe half a percent who if those who got it died but the next one might might kill five percent or ten percent or

twenty percent we don’t know we’re just rolling the dice on this and it’s it’s crazy

um there’ll be more pandemics coming down the Chute if we don’t change the way we farm animals

Inefficient animal farming

so at inefficiency of animal farming so this is from the amazing and Powerful

study from poor nemesic in 2018 so this was highly regarded and it was

praised for its um extraordinary thoroughness and it’s bottom-up approach they now have access

to agricultural data from all over the world and they estimated that 83 of all

Farmland is used for animal farming but produces only 18 of our calories

this is extraordinarily wasteful it’s insane when we’re struggling to feed the

world’s population and we’re encroaching on forests to produce more food

yet they estimated that if the whole world went vegan and stopped eating animal food we could put 76 of all

Farmland back to Wilderness what an amazing break that would be for our struggling planet to let all of that

land go back to Wilderness and be promote biodiversity and and more lungs

to clean the uh the atmosphere to take out carbon dioxide

so in terms of global warming food production is estimated to be responsible for about a third of all

Global warming

Global greenhouse gas emissions and of that meat production accounts for about 60 percent

so this is the elephant in the room that a lot of environmental organizations are still not talking about even though

we’ve had conspiracy available around the world that fabulous documentary for

quite a few years environment groups are still not looking at this as the as the enormous

contributor that it is and and my mission is really to get this message out far and wide that we need to talk

about food and in terms of meat production we’re not even slowing down

Meat production

I mean there’s still steady growth in meat consumption around the world and this is expected to cons continue

growing overcoming decades as the population increases and especially as the

developing countries want to westernize their diets

Greenhouse gas emissions

this is from our world and data so you can see that the greenhouse gas Footprints of different food types so

beef at the top is way way higher than the plant Foods

on the bottom section so animal foods are creating the Lion’s

Share of global greenhouse gas emissions eating plant Foods is a tiny contributor

to these gases so moving on to hunger and starvation so

Hunger and starvation

worldwide at least half of all the grain produced is fed directly to livestock and this is like a food factory in

Reverse you put in about 10 kilos of grain you get about one kilo of meat this is crazy

this is Medieval type farming and we don’t need to do this today this is just

a an a crazy inefficient way to feed the planet if all that grain were fed to humans we

could feed an extra three and a half billion people and as per earlier we could put 76 of

all the world Farmland back to Wilderness now of course we’d have to support those Farmers to transition and

we need to budget for that and we need to help retrain those people we needed to help with that transition of that

land and this is coming as I’ll mention later whether we like it or not the

animal Industries will become stranded assets um

and yet with all this extra food weight fed to animals 15 000 children under

five starved to death every day we’re letting we’re letting children

around the world starve and we’ve got enough food to feed them

Antibiotic overuse

moving on antibiotic resistance so approximately 80 of all antibiotic uses

for livestock which is incredibly wasteful of this precious resource it’s used

prophylactically to prevent disease it’s used as a growth promoter

and yet already around 23 000 people a year in the U.S die from resistant

bacteria because of overuse because the more you use these the more the ant the

bacteria develop antibiotic resistance we’re fast approaching a post-antibiotic

era which means that if you get a serious infection in one of your limbs

the only recourse to save your life will be to amputate that area we won’t have

these tools anymore if we keep over using them which is terrifying

Slaughterhouse workers

looking at the ethics of how we’re living and feeding um we’re essentially stealing the future

from our children and grandchildren and also in terms of the workers the

people we pay to do this this work killing animals we’re subjecting them to trauma and violence

this is this is a very nasty job and I’ve done this work I’ve worked in the slaughterhouses in New Zealand as a

summer job collecting blood when I worked for a biotech company back when I was a student and

I cannot erase those images from my brain that it was traumatic the the

smell the the sight of animals bleeding to death and kicking machines that rip

their faces off and dismembered the animals um this is a horrible business that

nobody should have to see or participate in um and we know that this work increases

the health problems and domestic violence amongst slaughterhouse workers


just some numbers we Slaughter around 80 billion land animals a year for food

and this is just for almost 8 billion humans will be 8 billion in the next decade or so

um this is a large-scale suffering of these sentient beautiful gentle animals that

that we’re we’re killing needlessly and we’re we’re fishing out of the ocean

about two and a half trillion animals that also feel pain and ascentient beings

and and up to 40 of that fish caught globally is discarded because it’s so-called bycatch

uh we’re just hoovering the oceans dry industrial troll is a drag netting

across the oceans and and Hauling out everything in their path

Demand Constraints

food security now this is from the work of Julian crib and this is this is

really terrifying as well we’ve we’ve got demands and constraints so we’ve got about a million new humans born every

three days and they’re living longer lives we’re expecting we might be 10 billion people

by mid-century and as mentioned the developing nations

have got a growing demand for meat and other animal Foods so we may need to double the food supply

by 2060. and yet constraint wise we’re pumping

aquifers dry around the world including the large Ogallala aquifer in North America and the aquifers that Supply the

Indian food bowl in the Punjab those aquifers are dropping up you know meters

per year but they’re not they’re being drawn upon faster than they can replace naturally we’re pumping Rivers dry such

as the Colorado and the Australian Murray darling Basin these Rivers won’t

reach the ocean anymore unless we have regulations to hold back a small proportion of that water

and cities are relying on water supply from acquisition those aquifers are

dropping as well for drinking water um and some of that is backfilling with ocean water which is making it saltier

and less usable we’re also facing Peak land so

the Farmland through overuse is is some of it’s becoming desert we’re building over agricultural land As Cities expand

we’re facing peak oil as we’re we’re depleting this finite resource that’s

been pumped out of the ground Pig phosphorus so 70 of the world’s

phosphorus comes from Morocco and this is being used at a at a rate it’s not

being replaced then and we will run out of this fertilizer pink fish so the oceans as I mentioned

have been overfished in most of the world’s major Fisheries are in collapse

Pig pollinators so the collapse of insect populations mean that we’re running out of bees and other insects

which pollinate our food supply and there’s a drought in research and development and add to that global

warming is is decreasing the yields through flooding through through droughts we’ve just had major floods in

Melbourne and it’s going to put up the price of food because a lot of Farmland has been flooded and the crops have been

destroyed and in terms of those pollinators around 75 of our food depends on those

pollinators so this is a quote from Lester Brown

Peak Water Overpumping

who’s been working in this space for many decades um the real threat to our future is Peak water

over pumping means some Nations have reached Peak water and we’re seeing increasing Mega

droughts like in California when I moved to Australia I mean to Melbourne 20 years ago we were in a

decade-long mega drought and we had water rationing now we’ve just had massive floods our dams are all full I’m

expecting more rain and more flooding in the next week um Rivers as I said being over irrigated

from depleting aquifers increased flooding so this is a is a serious Challenge and

we’ll get worse is climate change gets worse we’re also losing topsoil no there’s

Top Soil

some debate about this but some scientists predict we might only have about 50 years left of topsoil

um because we lose top soil with every year of mono cropping it blows away it

washes away into streams it this top soil takes hundreds of thousands of years to build up and we’re depleting

this from the food bowl regions of the planet and this thin veneer of topsoil around the planet is what gives us life

on land and civilizations in the past where topsoilers lost has been gone has

been lost have collapsed so this is what we’re facing if we don’t look after the soil and develop more

regenerative agriculture which is free of pesticides and lets the soil build up

again so this is a graph of human population growth over the last 10 000 years and

Population Growth

you can see that for the first 10 000 years or so we use muscle power from

humans and animals and then around um the 1800s we developed fossil fuels

and this essentially reduced the negative feedback on our growth as a species and

enabled explosive population increases of humans around the world and so we’re

now pushing 8 billion people and that rate of growth is not sustainable

um in many ways with the damage we’re doing to the environment you can now describe Humanity as a plague

this is also illustrates that use of fossil fuel so

Fossil Fuels

this is our use of these is like this thin flame in a long dark night

um these fossil fuels are rapidly running out and we need to transition to sustainable energy sources

Boom and Bust Cycle

this is a generic graph of species that have a boom and bust cycle and this isn’t what we are likely doing as a

species ourselves as humans we’ve had this long boom phase and with all these

constraints on the environment we’re approaching a point where there’ll be

a crash in our species numbers if and we can if we’re smart and we coordinate this

collaboratively we can plan this and we can do it in an orderly way and reduce our population our demands on the

ecosystem or nature will force this on us um this is Dr Professor William Reese

Climate Crisis

from Canada who’s got some fabulous Talks on YouTube but he’s predicting the

climate crisis May wipe out six billion humans I’m sorry this talk is dark but we do we

do need to know this and we do need to make changes so we we actually pay for animal food

which is way too cheap three times we we pay at the checkout when we buy these

products we subsidize them heavily from our taxes which I’ll talk about more in the next

slide and we we pay for the cleanup costs to the environment these externality

externalities are not built into the price of the meat the meat and other animal products

the the farmers don’t pay for the health bills they don’t pay for the cleanup we do as taxpayers

so these taxes and subsidies is almost a trillion dollars in subsidies to

Taxes Subsidies

agriculture globally almost all of that to animal Agriculture and almost none of that for the

environment to clean up these externalities to to fix up the Damage Done by this this

agriculture and in terms of fossil fuel subsidies it’s almost 6 trillion us a year much of

that for agriculture in Australia we have um subsidies of diesel for Farmers which

is crazy you know these products should be taxed we should be subsidizing farmers who are

regenerating the soil producing healthier food and cheaper plant foods and we should have taxes on animal food

to capture these externalities of the environmental of that and the health damage like in the U.S your health costs

are coming up towards 20 of gross domestic product so 20 of All American expenditures on

fixing sick people this is this can be laid at the door of of Agriculture or animal agriculture

because most people are in hospital because of what they put in their mouth and it’s less so from tobacco and

alcohol it’s predominantly from the food so as mentioned at the beginning to if

Stop Global Warming

we want to stop global warming we have to change how we produce food this is from a research paper from the

science journal this year even if we could eliminate fossil fuel

emissions immediately this without changes to the food system we will not make

it’s not stop going past one degree one and a half degrees warming and we may

not even prevent two degrees warming and and if you understand the climate

science the two degrees warming is is pretty catastrophic for us as a species

we do not want to go there if we can help it and we’re we’re close to one and a half degrees already

so we we need major changes in food production methods and we need this

pretty urgently this is a huge study released in 2019

Lancet Commission 31

that eat Lancet commission 31 also experts from around the world

gather together to advise on the best diet for human health and environmental

health and this was their takeaway message food is the single strongest lever to optimize human and environmental

sustainability human health the single strongest lever

IPCC Report

this is from this year’s ipcc report so this is um the Baseline of xero is

the I don’t know if you can see my cursor here but this is the standard Australian or American diet so Mediterranean diets

better because it has more plant food but look how much better it is to have a fully plant-based diet

this is mitigation of greenhouse gases so hugely beneficial so this is this is

from world climate experts saying we need to shift towards more plant-based diets they’re starting to screamness

from the rooftops because they know the science and they can see the heavy footprint of

animal agriculture so this is going back to this study from poor nemesek I mentioned earlier so this

Poor Nemesek

was their takeout avoiding meat and dairies the single biggest way to reduce your impact on Earth

and animal aquaculture is just so inefficient and wasteful we really need

to shift from this mode of production so really every time you spend any money you’re

Vote for the world you want

casting a vote for the kind of world you want it’s really important to think about that what kind of planet do you want for

your rest of your life and for your children your grandchildren we really each of us has to think about

that and and this is power we have you know we can’t change government policy or get laws made necessarily but we do

have power with our dollars we need to take that seriously what can you do well every time you have

Every time you have a meal

a meal you can have a delicious meal like this and leave out the animal food or a meal like this

or one like this or um given that we’re approaching

Thanksgiving and Christmas you can prepare the turkey differently

Preparing the turkey differently

we don’t have Thanksgiving in Australia but I’ll read this to you because I think this is delightful this guy

learning is a local cartoonist here and he’s he’s an absolute gem so how to

prepare the turkey approach the turkey calmly insteadily speak gently and frankly about your intentions

sit quietly and listen to the turkey you might hear something you hadn’t considered be prepared to alter your

plans don’t push the discussion too hard take a break and arrange a further meeting

perhaps in a small Cafe somewhere cheery and relaxed stroll together along a beach through a

park down a cobble Lane continue to talk and listen a strolling conversation is more real

has a special dignity as a poetic outcome sit side by side and watch the sunset

watch your stars come out travel together and tell each other of your dreams open up your hearts and take

comfort and being together you will not have Christmas dinner but so what you’ll have peace Divine

fellowship and most importantly a feathered friend how delightful is that

I love this cartoon so I send this to people here around Christmas time my patients and just to

say there’s another way to prepare the turkey you don’t have to support the slaughter of these gentle beautiful

creatures something else you can do I heard about this app recently this guy’s the

The Lentil Intervention

grandson of Charles Darwin he lives in Australia and I think

um and he was interviewed recently on a podcast a fabulous podcast by my friends called the lentil Intervention which I

highly recommend so this this app on your phone and they’ve done they’ve dug into the

research to get these stats so for example if you had two meat-free meals a week

this will do all these things Below in blue it’ll add to your lifespan it’ll take 10

cars off the road per year saves all these fish chickens helps with chronic

malnutrition save 600 bus loads of water three tennis courts of Marine reserve saved three tennis courts of forest this

is just two meat-free meals a week for a year so if you didn’t went fully plant-based and had 21 meat-free meals a

week you can multiply this by 10. so this lets you calculate as a

cumulative total the positive impact of avoiding animal of avoiding just meat

so this can be quite an incentivizing and rewarding

so moving on um I really like the work of this San Francisco Think Tank could rethink X

Food and Agriculture

their food and agriculture report from a couple of years ago says that we’re on the cusp of the fastest deepest most

consequential disruption of Agriculture and history now this is driven by business this is not reliant on

government policy on politicians seeing the light this is money this is business talking and this

will happen regardless of what government does because there are multi billions of dollars being invested in

Precision fermentation and alternative Meats like Beyond beef

um and impossible Foods um many different replica animal foods and again these are not for vegans we’re

not the target audience but this will switch people who immediators over to

these products because they’ll be as good as or better than and cheaper than and safer then because they won’t

have bacterial contamination and fecal contamination and this will undercut the um

foods from actual animals so they’re estimating these fermentation products will be cheaper than animal

Foods by 2030. they have a massively lower environmental footprint

like 95 99 lower so they’re estimating that by the end of

this decade animal agriculture will be bankrupt and these industries will be stranded

Assets Now again we have to we have to support Farmers that this is coming and

that they need to transition and we have to support them financially to retool and put their land back to Wilderness

many of them this will be heartbreaking there are generations of farmers and I feel for them but this is coming

regardless of government policy there are trillions of dollars being billions of dollars sorry being invested in this

around the world and this is already happening we can see this happening in Singapore they’ve

already legalized these foods and you can buy Precision fermented chicken products in

Singapore this is Boston Consulting Group this year saying plant-based meat is by the

Boston Consulting Group

far the best climate investment so non-animal proteins can play a

critical role in tackling the climate crisis and these are just some of the multi-billion dollar Investments

Protein Companies

happening around the world so meat Industries are now calling

themselves protein companies and and this focus on protein is kind of misguided because we know that a whole

food plant-based diet you cannot design it to be protein deficient even potatoes have more protein than we need but this

is still good these are not Foods I’ll be buying but they’re foods that will switch omnivores and meat eaters over to

these replica foods and will give the environment a break and the Animals a break so this is really a win-win

they’re not necessarily healthier but it’s going to save our planet

so that’s into my talk that was very depressing I’m sorry AJ

Labgrown Meat

and sorry to the audience but I think we need to know this I agree you know one of the viewers is

saying what do you think about lab meat lab-grown meat well I think it’s exciting that it’s

coming but I won’t be buying it like I stopped eating meat 41 years ago

I find it disgusting and revolting and I look away when I go past the butchers and I hold my nose

and but it’s great if it’s there available for meat eaters and it’s cheaper and it switches them off food

from a real animal I’m really excited yeah and I’m not the customer and I’m sure you aren’t AJ either well I

didn’t like meat in the first place so it wasn’t hard for me to give it up but I’m thinking that all the ill effects of

meat would still be in lab meat would that not be correct oh yes yeah it won’t be good for the health I mean you’re not

likely to get salmonella poisoning or or other bacterial contamination because

it’s it’s cleaner um but it certainly won’t be animal protein we know is inflammatory it’s not

good for the kidneys it promotes cancer the saturated fats the cholesterol are

not going to help anyone but if they’re not eating food from a real animal that’s still a big win for the planet no

you know and I agree I mean because it’s it’s definitely even though there might be one cell from you know one animal

it’s still going to be a lot more Humane I believe yes yeah they can take a biopsy of like

a sesame seed size and they can use that indefinitely so no more animals need to suffer

ing for that reason and also will help the environment too won’t it huge yeah

it’s a massive win for the animals and the environment but it’s it’s not healthy but it’ll be there that’s okay

because the people the people that are eating it probably aren’t eating it for health right so oh no no they’re eating

it because it’s trendy it’s new it’s cheaper it’s more available the foods from actual animals will become a

boutique Niche product and increasingly forced out of the market wow you you know I I understand why people love

processed food because let’s be honest it’s delicious I mean I I mean you know it’s not good for you but I was addicted

to it for years but I never understood the animal products because you need plants to make them taste good like like

very few people really eat raw meat very I don’t know anybody you know you could say Okay sushi but even then they’re

putting it with you know soy sauce and vinegar and rice and and vegetables and I just I don’t understand the obsession

with animal products in this country cheese I get because if it’s addictive but I don’t understand why people really

believe they need it and then why I just I never I just it just was so gross to me but you know um Elizabeth agreed with

me that this is depressing you know sorry I know I know people we need to we

need to to hear it though so but I don’t think people want to hear it though because you know they you know

they don’t want uh bad bad news about their bad habits they want good news

about their bad habits the good news is that industry you’re going to solve this for us either way towards the end of

this decade that things are shifting but also you can make a change and help the environment with every meal you eat so

you you as a consumer and a person who eats you do have quite a lot of power and you can keep doing good work to to

be a lighthouse to inspire those around you and and help others make the change and

be the healthy person that people want to know why you’re so healthy and bring your beautiful food plant-based food to

work and have your friends around for beautiful plant-based meals you can still Inspire the change that we all

want to see yeah help with these Ripple effects spreading through the community so

we do have some power Jenny says so great to see and hear you Dr Peter wonderful presentation

I I Elizabeth says we are doomed well maybe you know Rex says this man is a hero

um yeah devastating news we must do what we can

first don’t eat animal products I mean you think people would get the message that all these diseases like you know

mad cow and pandemics I don’t get why people are so reticent to change even

with the information well even environmental groups don’t want to know like I’ve reached out to a

local environment group and they didn’t reply to my email I said I’ve got a talk on food and environment and I think it

would be useful for your group and um there’s they’ve been going for quite

a while 15 years and there’s nothing about food on all of their blogs on the website and I I said well this is

something important to consider and and this is common with environment groups it’s not in the media as a major

problem we get lots of environment news in our media in Australia you know climate change and biospecies

biodiversity loss Etc but food’s not it’s the elephant in the room it’s not discussed as a major corporate

and and this is I think it’s partly money because these are these are

multi-billion dollar Industries how their their powerful advertisers and the mainstream media don’t want to alienate

them I don’t mean to make it sound like a conspiracy but there’s not much money to be made in

telling people to eat more broccoli and carrots and go for a walk every day

yeah so let me read this comment here Josh says

one time I went to Chipotle and they asked if I wanted protein instead of meat restaurants feel like that if you

don’t have like like if it’s if you’re on a total then you’re you know they don’t understand like beans have protein

grains have vegetables have protein this obsession with protein

I know it drives me nuts I deal with this every day with people and I

I keep having to explain to people you know even human breast milk is only five percent of its calories from protein

that’s when we’re growing our fastest now even even white rice has more protein than that potatoes have more

protein than five percent grown human adults don’t need more protein than a baby who’s breastfeeding

you know this it’s it’s it’s it’s the most overhyped nutrient ever and and no doctor in Australia or America will see

any patient who’s protein deficient unless they’re not eating unless they’re anorexic but you just don’t see it and

most people don’t even know that the medical term for protein deficiency because it’s so rare

it’s it’s called kashiorkor and it’s you know seen in countries where there’s famine but you know we have cardiac

Wards in the hospitals we have bariatric Wards we have maternity Wards we have cancer Wards we don’t have any protein

deficiency warts in the hospital it’s it’s complete nonsense and these

people going on about protein they’ve almost certainly never met anybody who’s protein deficient it’s this this hype

you know so I I spent a lot of time having to explain that to people

um they will get there I’m patient I’m stubborn I’m an activist

well good luck and I appreciate what you do do you think you have time for a few questions and just like registered

dietitian type stuff from the viewers that sent them in in advance of course and and as per the doctors

it’s not medical advice I can I can give generic answers but I’m

I shouldn’t be giving advice to a person when I don’t know their situation and haven’t met them and and you know these

things are contextual but general questions like I’m happy to answer if I can okay how about this I’ll read it to

you and you can either say hey I can’t answer that you need a consult or ask your doctor or something like that how’s that okay okay

um here is a question from Gene I’m an aspiring vegan senior with severe

osteoporosis despite daily calcium magnesium and vitamin D the pizzorno book healthy bones healthy body cells

algae Cal is the safest most effective form of calcium that includes other nutrients it also states that minerals

like phosphorus Boron strontium iodine magnesium as well as vitamin D and K and omega-3 fatty acids are required to

potentiate the calcium any suggestions so maybe you could just talk about not not her case but you know like the the

minerals and stuff that we need for help and and if you’re eating a whole food

plant-based diet you’ll get all those minerals and by and vitamins and nutrients that you need the only one you

won’t get on a whole food plant-based diet is B12 and and that’s an artifact of model

living because it’s made by bacteria and we clean our food and we treat our water and we’re not eating contaminated food

and water anymore gurlers get it from puddles and streams and unwashed food so other than that

we’re very unlikely to get any of these deficiencies if we eat a range of whole plant Foods in colder climates you might

need some vitamin D in the winter um so Whole Food plant-based eating

gives you all of those Trace elements like Boron and magnesium and other things

and we get our calcium from beans and greens particularly but from Whole plants you know gorillas get it from

Plants elephants get it from plants so do giraffes and hippos and these other

huge Shrine animals a bull you know huge strong ball gets its muscles from eating

grass and it’s strong bones so that the major determinant for bone

strengths in in US is weight-bearing exercise we’re too sedentary in the modern world I’m at a standing desk as

we speak I have been the whole talk I’m not sitting down because I prefer to stand and make my bones do some work

with bones and muscles it’s really a case of use it or lose it

if you don’t use them they shrink and we know this from astronauts who are up in orbit and zero gravity their bone shrink

or long stay hospital patients their bones will shrink because bones are in a

constant state of flux with the osteoblasts building them up and osteoclasts breaking them down

and the body’s smart it’s going to figure out if we’re not loading these bones we don’t need such big bones we’ll

shrink them a bit and if they’re getting lots of work every day the body’s going to go we need stronger bones and they’ll

get thicker so you really have to work the bones and if you’re a senior like anyone over 50

even you should really be lifting weights at the gym which I do I did a hard routine last night and I go

to yoga one day I go to the gym the next and I’m still doing handstands at 64. so

you’ve got to look after your body otherwise it won’t look after you and that means sitting less

if you’re watching telly you know get a an exercise bike or a rowing machine and or do some weights while you’re watching

your favorite program it doesn’t cost much to get a set of dumbbells go for a walk every day stand

more get a standing desk at work these things are important for bone strength but you won’t be calcium

deficient if you eat a whole food plant-based diet amen thank you

here’s one about a low residue diet and it says despite a high fiber High plant

protein mostly SOS free diet I’ve remained very constipated and Bloated my

new Kaiser GI doctor recommended I switched to a low residue high calorie and high protein diet I mourn the loss

of my raw veggie salads loaded with crucifers and whole grains what is a low residue diet

meaning less fiber less fiber I’m guessing um I definitely wouldn’t support that and I

would say Seek the support of someone like Dr will Balsa which who has

described people can be constipated and it can take some time to unblock that even if you have a high fiber diet

the the bowel motility is based mainly on four things fiber content which

should be high hydration so as Dr B says you need a river to float a log

um I like I love his communication style he’s such a funny guy um you need movement so we need to be

moving through the day to help the peristalsis of the gut that’s the squeezing muscle of the gut muscles that

move things through and if you’ve got high stress that can block you up as well so there could be a number of things at

play and it’s worth trying to optimize all those four things so fiber hydration

movement and stress and seeing if that sorts it out otherwise you may need to see a good gastrointestinal enterologist

um or a plant-based dietitian but I certainly wouldn’t recommend a switch back to low fiber energy dense animal

Foods um that’s going to have other much more severe negative consequences over the

medium and longer term yeah so uh Roseanne says wonderful

presentation so thank you Dr Johnson and yes you can share this presentation right now it’s on YouTube as we speak

you can share in real time and I know the doctor will be isn’t doing you know private consults but he recommends

another wonderful plant-based GI doctor who can work with anyone virtually her name is Dr Vanessa Mendes

yeah and there are more of them um Dr Alan Desmond in the UK so we’re

starting to see more Specialists and medical practitioners who understand this science and can help people with

these particular problems and get you back on the healthy track no no here’s something I hear quite a

bit any advice for someone with serious sensitivities to onion and garlic

because they’re used to flavor a lot of our whole food plant-based recipes yes

um Dr B just had a really good um workshop on food intolerances and

I help people with this quite a bit as well um I’d recommend Dr B’s course it was

reasonably priced it was like just under 100 us and fabulous Resources with it

but basically you may want to do an Elimination Diet where you take these

things out and you introduce them teaspoon at a time to get your gut

um microbiota reuse to those kind of fibers and um oligosaccharides and and the

different things that may be giving you some grief it it in rare cases you may have an actual

allergy which is a different thing and and testing can see if you’re making ige

but it’s most likely an intolerance because you you may have an impaired

microbiome where you don’t have the microbes that can digest those particular oligosaccharides and products

in the alliums but it is a challenging thing to leave out of food because it’s so commonly

used um although at the retreat center we’re using they they have an indian-based

meditation group that runs the center and they require that we didn’t use any onion or garlic

in our catering for our week-long Retreats and our vegan Chef Julia gruskin who’s amazing

and would be a good guest for you Chef AJ um and who is she Julia gruskin she’s

a vegan qualified chef and she ran a cat cafe in America the first Cat Cafe

Cat Cafe that’s incredible yeah she’s a cat a cat Nutter very she bought four

cats out to Australia when she moved here with quarantine and everything but um

where was I have lost my train of thought um yeah we weren’t able to use onions or

garlic in our catering at these Retreats and Julius rolled with this and made food that’s still fabulous and people

didn’t notice the difference because that’s fantastic to it I think that’s one of the hardest things to make

things taste good without an onion so I would love to have her show us how to do that yeah we didn’t miss it and people

could didn’t notice there was no onion or garlic because this is the the people who run the retreat center they required

we didn’t use any that’s part of their belief system so yeah

that’s fantastic what is the number one reason people seek out your help

oh the most common one would be weight loss but then cardiovascular disease Diabetes

Type 2 diabetes GI problems but weight loss is the main one

yeah that’s a big one we get more people overweight now than ever before and more

that you know like what is it 70 something like that yeah it’s pretty close to that

that’s a real epidemic isn’t it it is a big epidemic it’s it’s heartbreaking because people don’t know what they

don’t know and they’re sleepwalking to health disasters and and the

these health issues are lagging consequences of their previous behaviors over many decades

and and so there’s because it’s not a close connection between the burger you

eat one day and the heart disease two three decades later people don’t don’t realize this I see

people eating out and what what they’re eating and I look at their trolleys surreptitiously at the supermarket and

my heart breaks I just really want to help people like that but you you can’t

just barge in and say you shouldn’t buy that and they need to be ready to listen and and

have some curiosity and you can’t tell people how to eat

no I know what you mean like you call it a trolley we call it a shopping cart but you could almost guess the weight of the

person by looking in the cart before you see the person it’s incredible I know and and seeing kids being given these

Foods it’s really makes me so sad you know the processed meats that are fed to children they should have warning labels

on them like cigarettes yes that is a great idea canister should

have a warning label yeah but given the wealth Health Organization has said nobody should eat processed Meats the

these because they’re proven to cause cancer they should have the warning levels the same as cigarettes really

nobody should eat anything when the word process is in the sentence processed

food processed meat yeah I mean we use a little bit of soy milk and coffee yeah

but I mean well yes but I mean when it’s soy milk has basically soybeans and water in it but yeah maybe you find

would be a better word so Jenny is saying are you able to help people with

celiacs disease yes I’ve helped many celiacs it’s a it’s a serious condition and it

needs to be taken incredibly seriously if you have celiac disease you have to be extremely stringent stringent about

zero gluten in your diet um every tiny bit will damage you so

it’s important to get it right um and once you have it it seems like

there’s no turning back it’s there’s no fix for it or cure but you can still

live really well without gluten but it’s important to have really good knowledge

about being strict and making sure there’s zero gluten intake is the damage

can be cumulative absolutely here’s a nice comment I’m

seeing from Debbie this is a hard message to hear but thank you for the awareness

thanks Debbie yeah it is a hard message and I do apologize that it’s quite

um grim but it’s not too late like things are pretty

dire but we we need to realize how serious this is and change and and I think there’s as I’ve

said already this is the elephant in the room it’s just not being discussed people are not aware of

of how bad things are and what’s causing it which is largely animal agriculture you know we of course we need to get rid

of fossil fuels um but we also need to change how we produce food

and how we eat it correct yeah if people want to get in

touch with you or do you have any presence on social media or how can they get more of you Dr Johnson

I’m on I’m not much of a social media user I’m on Facebook um I’m at my website perfect or Melbourne

I think those will be in your show Notes One Day AJ yes I put everything in the show notes

um I’m on Facebook um and Linkedin um but I recently read a terrifying book

called the chaos machine um he was the author was interviewed by

Rich Roll and it’s a deep dive into the harms of social media oh my gosh

see again the name of the book it sounds like something I have to read I don’t care for it but like you know if you’re

not on it you you know you Publishers drop you these days this in this day and age yeah it’s called the chaos machine

and I actually consumed it by audible I listened to a lot of books now while I’m at the gym and while I’m

I’m walking did you did you like the book do you recommend it oh it’s fabulous

um but it’s scary the authors Max Fisher thank you for listening sorry and you

can find him on the Rich Roll podcast about a month or two ago and it was a really good interview so I went straight

out and downloaded the book it’s a if you’ve seen the social Dilemma on Netflix yes I did like that very much

and I actually interviewed Dr Anna Lemke and I and her book dopamine Nation so is

it does it have the Dark Side of social media basically yes yeah yeah

um it’s important to know though I think people should know this as well and especially for their kids because it’s

as the the social dilemma showed it such a leading cause of depression and suicide amongst younger people and it’s

it’s causing Slaughter like in Myanmar you know that was Facebook driven

and the conflicts the polarization in the US between the Republicans and the

Democrats like this is an unbridgeable divide almost now and could lead to Civil War and social media is fueling

this so well thank you I mean not think again you really are the bearer of bad news

bad news books but I I apprec you know what I’m saying I appreciate it but you know like Susan says thank you Dr

Johnson for presenting these issues it can’t all be happy fun tasty presentations we need to be adults and

be realistic but uh what other audible books do you recommend because I have three credits and I just can’t decide

what to get um I’m blightedly listening to healthy

eating healthy World by Morris and Stanfield Hicks oh wait I’ve read that one though I I have read that yeah

really good yeah he’s been on the show he’s wonderful um of Colin Campbell’s books I love Dr T

Colin Campbell so listen to those on Audible again after reading them um I’ve listened to China study on

Audible but I haven’t listened to whole on Audible and of course like I can’t highly recommend enough the pleasure

trap which has a terrific narrator yep that’s I love that one that is such a that is I think that is the book that

explains why we’re doing all this stuff that’s harming the planet because we

because of the pleasure trap because if there wasn’t some benefit people wouldn’t do it yeah and I I think even

though that book’s almost 20 years old I still think that’s probably the most important health and well-being book I’ve ever read yeah I’m sure Dr Lyle and

goldhammer would appreciate you saying that and I will tell them Debbie says what do you like to do for fun

I do yoga I do windsurfing I speed sail so I compete in speed sailing we sail up to

80 kilometers an hour in gale force winds with helmets and padded vests is

kind of crazy but they’re like really Daredevil aren’t you it’s quite exhilarating yeah sort of half half pure

fear and half adrenaline and excitement well you do not look 64. I can tell you

thank you nor do you yeah but you’re not you’re only 50. I’m only 61 and a half but thank you very much don’t make me

any older than they are so last question every guest gets in on the show what do you eat in a day

um it’s early morning here it’s just what is it nine o’clock so I’m about to go and have some steamed kale with

nutritional yeast and balsamic vinegar for my breakfast I haven’t had breakfast yet then I’ll have a huge bowl of

porridge with berries for lunch it’ll be potatoes with a pea

sauce and some steamed broccoli and baked cauliflower

um we have lots of different food Mexican food Asian food Japanese pancakes economiyaki

buffalo wings with cauliflower and broccoli um we eat fabulously sounds delicious and I

love that you eat your vegetables you eat your greens first of course that’s great well this is such a

pleasure Doug hearing well the presentation wasn’t the greatest pleasure but getting to know you was because it just it is depressing and

it’s it’s you sometimes you feel like there’s because those of us that are doing this or you know like what more I can’t be

any more vegan you know what I’m saying I can get the information out but I find that when I do animal rights or

environment on this show people don’t want to hear as much as they want the recipes and the medical stuff but

that’s you know you gotta you have to be aware of what’s going on guys

well it’s something to feel good about if you’re a plant-based that you’re actually contributing enormously to a

lighter footprint on the earth into the change that we need to see so you can pat yourself on the back

yeah Elizabeth saying she’ll share the presentation and that really helps so basically eat the change you want to see

in the world yes yes yes that’s great well thank you so much Dr Johnson this

was really helpful a pleasure thank you for the opportunity and thank you to the audience and um

keep doing the fabulous work AJ I sure will thanks and thanks all of you

for watching another episode of Chef AJ live please come back tomorrow when my guest is the fabulous Melissa Sherlock

she’s been on the show before and you’ve asked for her to come

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